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Offline Leepu Awlia

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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #15 on: October 24, 2003, 04:33:11 AM »
ganon?
kailangan din ba ng oilcooler para sa n/a cars?
where to buy?
What does silicon hoses do that normal hoses cannot do?

why yes, an oil cooler is necessary if you plan on running your car in high revs over a long period of time, say, in a road course of 20 minute lap sessions where you go all out. another scenario is if you idle the car over a long period of time...
as a matter of fact, when i rebuild my rear axle,  im also going to install a thermostatically governed differential cooler.
silicone hoses have the advantages of not being degraded by petroleum based fluids and not prone to collapsing or ballooning compared to rubber hoses. disadvantage is the price.
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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #16 on: October 24, 2003, 09:50:50 PM »
Ascalracing,

how to you intend to incorporate a tthemostatic switch for your setup. And does your rear axle..tranny have enough PSI to move the fluid all throughout the cooler and back to the diff/tranny.

M planning a similar thing just curious.
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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #17 on: October 24, 2003, 10:56:46 PM »
enigz,

Most oil cooler kits that are add-ons usually have a thermostat. :)
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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #18 on: October 24, 2003, 11:20:41 PM »
Ascalracing,

how to you intend to incorporate a tthemostatic switch for your setup. And does your rear axle..tranny have enough PSI to move the fluid all throughout the cooler and back to the diff/tranny.

M planning a similar thing just curious.
differential oil is not pressurized and only bathes or soaks the gears thus the need for external cooling under extreme use. you will need an electric differential/transmission oil pump pictured below:
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because it is electric, you can employ an electic thermostat switch that will automatically power the pump or shut it off. cutoff temp is usually 180*F.
Most if not all aftermarket external engine oil cooling kits do not come with a thermostat and you must purchase it separate.

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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #19 on: October 25, 2003, 02:22:14 AM »
enigz,

Most oil cooler kits that are add-ons usually have a thermostat. :)
if i simply use a sandwhich plate then route it via braided hoses to a 8x6 cooler...would this do? If I want to have the flexibility of a thermostat how would i go about DIY'in it....Unfortunately a cooler kit is too rich for my blood.


Ascal,

one word......cool man cooooool hehehehe

I see so you would need a pump to circulate the oil in the tranny....in the same essence you can also make a manual switch to turn on and off the pump at your whim ::)

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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #20 on: October 25, 2003, 12:33:37 PM »
enigz,

Most oil cooler kits that are add-ons usually have a thermostat. :)
if i simply use a sandwhich plate then route it via braided hoses to a 8x6 cooler...would this do? If I want to have the flexibility of a thermostat how would i go about DIY'in it...

youd still need to buy a thermostat and install it in series with the oil cooling system. heres a pic of one installed:

This particular one is inline.
 Theres the kind thats integrated in the remote oil filter mount if your setup requires one.


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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #21 on: October 29, 2003, 01:39:35 PM »
What will happen if you always keep your oil cool or you simply leave the pump on to keep cooling the oil? Would this have any adverse effect? How about the oil cooler? Would this be bad if you maintain the oil temp of the engine below 60 deg celcius?

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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #22 on: October 31, 2003, 02:15:56 AM »
What will happen if you always keep your oil cool or you simply leave the pump on to keep cooling the oil? Would this have any adverse effect? How about the oil cooler? Would this be bad if you maintain the oil temp of the engine below 60 deg celcius?

it all has primarily something to do with flow. oil changes flow characteristics that is dependent on temp. if oil is overcooled and is not given a chance to reach its optimum temp, its flow is reduced. result is your engine is not properly lubricated. another thing is cleansing, detergents in the oil also need to be at a certain temp in order to work properly. another one is suspension. this one is directly related to flow. oil needs to keep particles in suspension. otherwise, particles are not removed from components and not filetered out.

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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #23 on: November 01, 2003, 01:00:08 PM »
ascalracing,

So if if that is such a big issue as you've mentioned.

Can i just put a DIY flow control (screw gate similar to water piping) system and simply open it during trackdays.

Or is it just advisable to get a smaller cooler mga 4x6. Problem is if I DIY it I don't have any access to a oil thermostat not unless I purchase it import it which defeat the purpose of a cheap oil cooler system.

I was thinking that the water thermostat will just remain closed for a longer period of time since the engine will be relatively cooler thus the need for the water cooling sytem to kick in will be lessened.



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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #24 on: November 01, 2003, 10:30:34 PM »
RS_sprint... nice info man :)

nakakatakot un long term outcome pag regular ka sa trackday...  ???
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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #25 on: November 02, 2003, 09:33:14 AM »
Hindi rin, alaga ka lang talaga dapat sa oto and use the best / highest quality lubricants you can buy / afford. With regard to mods, planning on what to spend will also help you get the most bang for the buck on the track, yun nga lang minsan hindi mo ma-appreciate yung mods para sa track sa regular street driving.

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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #26 on: November 02, 2003, 01:02:32 PM »
ascalracing,

So if if that is such a big issue as you've mentioned.

Can i just put a DIY flow control (screw gate similar to water piping) system and simply open it during trackdays.

Or is it just advisable to get a smaller cooler mga 4x6. Problem is if I DIY it I don't have any access to a oil thermostat not unless I purchase it import it which defeat the purpose of a cheap oil cooler system.

I was thinking that the water thermostat will just remain closed for a longer period of time since the engine will be relatively cooler thus the need for the water cooling sytem to kick in will be lessened.

lets hash this out and im getting a little confused so please help me out?
are you installing an engine oil cooler or a power steering cooler or a diff cooler or all of the above??

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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #27 on: November 02, 2003, 04:13:19 PM »
sorry for the confusion.

I plan to install an oil cooler and power steering cooler.


I'm concerned with the oil cooler since It is quite expensive to source a thermostat.

What I plan is just use a small cooler 5X7 then route a bypass valve (similar to water plumbing) that I can manualy shut off and on.

I'l just open the valve when on long High RPM driving and leave it closed during day to day driving.


Or is it better to just route it directly to the cooler since I'll only be putting in a small cooler.

As for the power steering cooler.

I plan to directly route the fluid to a cooler bypassing the original AL tubing used to cool the fluid.  

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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #28 on: November 02, 2003, 11:51:12 PM »
enigz,
please give me a complete list of the materials youre going to  use for the engine oil cooler plus a description of how youre gonna plumb it.
at this point, i would say, the best option is to follow the KISS principle and that is to plumb it without a bypass valve and no thermostat.

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Re:something for the track drivers
« Reply #29 on: November 04, 2003, 12:29:14 AM »
Following your KISS methodology

Sandwhich plate......dunno what brand but I plan on getting it from Kilton Motors.

Then braided hoses i plan to have it crimped with the proper fittings. The shop that MFG industrial hoses for hydraulic stuff used in heavy equipment commited to have that the fittings found in the sandwhich plate is on stock.

As for the cooler I got it off a 4g63T na engine the end fittings are similar to that of found in the fuel rail connection

route the hoses properly then tuck the cooler in front of the condenser ;D

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