Hi! Just curious, why are separates more favored over coaxials (non-separates)? Is it because of flexibility on the placement of the seps? But I read in some threads that the tweeters should be placed as close as possible to the mids. If this is the case, then aren't coaxials better, since the tweeters are right smack in the middle? They can still be flexible anyway coz I've seen coaxials with rotating angled tweeters (like Infinity).  

I've seen a couple of set-ups wherein the tweeters are located at the kickpanels, just a couple of inches away from the mids (baka nga less than 1 inch pa). Why can't you just put coaxials at the kickpanels?

sa tingin ko kasi kaya pangit yung coax kasi may part ng mids na natatakpan yung tweeters. not sure though

 8)nic,....its the flexibility of the separates kaya maganda to....you can angle the tweeters to the best image possible....unlike coaxials fixed nayung tweets don.....

malaki yung difference ng coax sa seps lalo na pag maganda yung pag ka tono ng seps.....

is it ok to have all seperates inside like midrange and tweeters in front then midbass in the rear than to have coaxials on the rear? tnx..

well for the front its advicable to have seps ..... coz you're the one (driver) that will be listening most of the time ..... as for rear fills.... coaxials would do (a pair of 6x9's perhaps)

tnx, then if ever i wanted to have a midbass where should i put it. or having a midbass is not reccomended?

well if you ask me i would just stick to a sep in front and rear 6x9 .......

the problem with things like 3way is that tuning it is very hard and if not done right it may sound pretty bad.

ah ok tnx dude... so i better stick wid that set-up nlang...

up to you .... coz I'm not much of an audiophile and i hardly notice the difference between setups to a great extent.

if you feel its enough for your taste then go for it ... but do invest on the best that you can get with what you have. If you have to wait a bit to save then do so .... just don't wait for too long coz you'll end up saving for something that will always change thus not being able to have anything at all.

nic,

Maraming rason kaya maraming pabor sa separates, pero ang pinaka malaking rason ay kayabangan, kasi mas mayabang tignan eh. Hiwahiwalay, mas mahal tignan kaysa coaxial.

Sunod na lang dyan o kapantay ang inggit, hindi ba nung bata ka kapag may maliit kang kotse at yung kaklase mo may kotse ring maliit pero bumubukas ang mga pinto at hood, gusto mo rin ng ganun? at kapag mayroon ka na noon at yung sa kalaro mo ay di-susi o baterya wala ka nang gana at gusto mo naman ganoon din ang sa iyo?


mike_aka_parak,

walang part yung mid na natatapakan yung tweeters.


coolrolla,

Sinabi na nga ni nic na may nakita siya na rotating angled tweeters ng coaxial and i believe he mention the brand "Infinity". Marami pa nyan, kahit Ryan Audio nga nag labas nyan. May coaxial pa nga na pwede mong gawing separates eh. Be careful with the words you type, when you say "you can angle the tweeters to the best image possible....unlike coaxials fixed nayung tweets don...." you may be reffering to "placing" not angle.

and may i ask what you meant by this "malaki yung difference ng coax sa seps lalo na pag maganda yung pag ka tono ng seps..." ? tono in what sense?


Weedman,

You can have whatever you like inside your car! it's your money, your car, your choice! if ever you want to have a midbass it is best in front and not at the back, and midbass (at least the frequency) is always recommended.


mark360,

ano ang koneksyon ng having seps for the front coz you're the one (driver) that will be listening most of the time? at advicable pa na seps ang gamitin sa harap? pasensya na at hindi ko talaga makuha ang logic.

about this  "as for rear fills.... coaxials would do (a pair of 6x9's perhaps)" how could you suggest something without even knowing what the guy wants? all i can recall was Weedman asking if he can place the midbass at the back... and rear fill is a different subject

fyi, rear fills can do more harm than not in imaging, staging, source of sound. but i guess you didn't know that from the way you posted. if you are using some sort of time delay for the rear or dsp then it's good, but still you have to bandpass the rear and not let any high or low frequencies pass through! this is midrange territory! and still, if you have a good front setup you realy won't be needing rear fills because sounds that are meant for the rear will seem to come from the rear in a good stereo setup! unless you have 5.1 processing in your car or not particular about your music, then go ahead and use the loudest 6x9 you can find, they don't only come in coaxial, but triaxial and quadaxial too!

you said  "the problem with things like 3way is that tuning it is very hard and if not done right it may sound pretty bad." what exactly do you mean by tuning?  this is sensitive and should not be left just like that! people are going to be scared to use 3way systems because it's hard to tune? how is it exactly tuned? I have been craving for a three way system (separates to be exact) for a long time now and would be very much interested on your input.

hmm, it would be unfair to others, especially me, na sinasabi mo na kayabangan lang ang reason kung bakit ako nag separates. ako nag separates kasi i heard a pioneer coaxial and separates, and mas maganda effect ng separates for me.

wag mo sabihin kayabangan lang kasi youll never know the real reason ok?  

NvinCbol,

Please be more tactful with the words you type.  Puwede ka namang kumontra without being tactless diba? Consider this as a warning.

Please help us in keeping this board flame-free. Thanks.

 8)NvinCbol,
           tama "placement" nga pala yon thanks for correcting....pasensya na ha newbie lang ako dito eh...still learning...i sometimes mix up the terms....

di ko ma gets yung sinabi mo na pag naka seps ka eh mayabang ka na?

sana makapunta ka ng EB this sat. gusto kita makilala eh. pag punta mo don pakilala ka agad sakin ha. dami kang matututunan don.

I did not say that kayabangan lang ang reason, if you read my post more carefully I said "Maraming rason"  infact those were my first words... pinaka malaki lang ang kayabangan. I said this because "most" people do not know why or what actually is the difference of a coaxial to a separate and having separates make it appear that we know car audio more than we really do.  It's hard to admit this but deep inside it is one good reason we are buying separates. It's just human nature. I am not saying that this is true to everybody, mind you.  

With forums like this and topics like this, it is helping others determine or have a view at least of differences.

Consider this, you have a 4-inch separates and 4-inch coaxial same specs same manufacturer, identical cars, identical head unit, amp, wire, processors and settings. the coaxial are mounted in the kick panel and the separates' woofer in the door and it's tweeters in the A-pillar. What would you say would sound better? In the same light, if you put the separates in the kick panel, which would you think  would sound better?

Quote from: NvinCbol on March 11, 2003, 03:24:04 PM
Consider this, you have a 4-inch separates and 4-inch coaxial same specs same manufacturer, identical cars, identical head unit, amp, wire, processors and settings. the coaxial are mounted in the kick panel and the separates' woofer in the door and it's tweeters in the A-pillar. What would you say would sound better? In the same light, if you put the separates in the kick panel, which would you think  would sound better?

IT depends sa makikinig...

kung kagaya kong walang alam sa audio.......I WILL HAVE A HARD TIME DIFFERENTIATING IT...

kung kagaya mong maraming alam....

you will hear the difference.