FYI sir,

What you're thinking is impossible. And if ever it's possible, di na po kelangan gawin iyan ng isang shop just to get more cash, especially AutoPlus. They'll just risk tarnishing their image. And kung puwedeng dayain iyong dyno bakit almost everyone's suggesting a dyno tune in the first place? It means the ones who are suggesting a dyno tune are satisfied with the outcome.

Withregards to the AutoPlus Dyno and AutoMekanika Dyno, I believe 'di sila parehas Dynojet .The one in Automekanika is the same one that was in TESDA before. So PS (metric) ang reading nung sa AutoMekanika, as opposed to the HP (imperial) reading nung sa AutoPlus.

Mato Tan has one kaya lang hindi pa naka-buo. Sa autoplus nga siya nagpapadyno e.

Autoplus nga gives this kind of service to customers to "up" the level of tuning here sa Pinas, kaya malabo yan.

Kung baga sa negosyo e kumikita ka na nga ng mabuti, bat ka pa magaaksaya mandaya. bakit pa sila kumuha ng mechanic ng magaling kung and end nila is mandaya ng customer?

Baka kaya kala mo mababa hp mo, kase whp yan. Far from factory figs.

I myself have witnessed francisco and raymond's tuning on my car, and to alot of my friends' cars.

They'l extract everything talaga from the car to produce the best possible (safest) hp output.  

Madalas nga nangyayari ang customer pa nandadaya.
They'll take their car for a dyno tuning session, and afterwards, pretty happy with the results they will leave the shop. Then babalik a few days or weeks later and they're gonna claim something is wrong with the car. Sisisihin pa yung Autoplus. Kaya pala they had other mechanics adjust the cam gears, AFCs, etc. and they wouldn't even admit it.

Quote from: Benj on October 25, 2003, 06:06:50 PM
Madalas nga nangyayari ang customer pa nandadaya.
They'll take their car for a dyno tuning session, and afterwards, pretty happy with the results they will leave the shop. Then babalik a few days or weeks later and they're gonna claim something is wrong with the car. Sisisihin pa yung Autoplus. Kaya pala they had other mechanics adjust the cam gears, AFCs, etc. and they wouldn't even admit it.

hahaha! i have got to agree on this one  

autoplus will not get anything from it. its not even their main source of income... just a hobby.

Quote from: Beelzebub on October 25, 2003, 11:22:41 AM
for the record, i'm just asking if possible yung dayain. i'm not implying that autoplus or any other shop with dyno here in phil are resorting to this kind of tactic. all i'm asking naman is kung possible mga naisip ko.

yup, possible dayain ... but i don't think gagawin ng shop ito kasi masisira negosyo nila

if ever meron discrepancies sa readouts nila, most likely "out of calibration" na ang machine and not because sinadya mandaya

Parang impossible gawin ng autoplus yan.
Ang galing naman ng comment mo sa kanila parang ngayon kalang pupunta sa Autoplus.
Ang tagal na nila sa field na yan tapos sasabahin mong nadadaya sila.
Halos ang mga professional racer diyan pumupunta
wala naman silang reklamo aber nga!! ,then dadayain kanila dude bagay nga sa iyo yung pangalan mo?
Advise ko lang sa iyo, kung ilang ka sa kanila wag ka nalang pumunta e-feel mo na lang mabilis yung sasakyan mo then yayain mo nang drag or circuit racing sila the best yun.

Just my 2 scent

More HP to all of U.  

P.S.
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Or ganito na lang yung hp ng sasakyan mo (yung nakalagay sa manual or sa brochure) + kung may i/h/e ka (sabi nila 10 hp raw kahit hindi na dyno) + adjust cam & valves + port polish + palit ecu + gt wings + dekals (5 hp per dekal) = walaaaa!!!! 500 hp gain (in your mind ha!!!) then I try mong makipag drag race sa mga delivery van,taxis,and jeepney.(then make cutting maneuver Ooooohhhh! I luv this part.) If your car overrun them it gain!!!.

That is a simple dyno tips
Not spending 5,000 Php  


Jok Jok Jok !!!!!!!!!!!  

Bawal pikon !!!!!!

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Quote from: Beelzebub on October 25, 2003, 11:22:41 AM
they will get alot IF they manipulate dyno readings.

imagine, they could manipulate it to read lower so the owner will ask for suggestions and let them extract more HP from the car from this and that parts, that will let the shop with dyno earn more money right?

or they could lower the HP and let the owner think that the shop who did his install didn't do a good job then when the owner let the shop with dyno do the some more install and the shop with dyno UP the HP, it will let the owner think that the shop with dyno is really good.

for the record, i'm just asking if possible yung dayain. i'm not implying that autoplus or any other shop with dyno here in phil are resorting to this kind of tactic. all i'm asking naman is kung possible mga naisip ko.

peace!

I think I might have an idea on who gave you the idea na pwede yun. Dahil may nagsabi na sa akin about that before na kesyo pwede daw imanipulate yun dyno and all that. Turns out, ni gamit lang ng dyno di sya marunong eh. Dami ring nalokong tao nun, up to now I think may ilan ilan parin naloloko yun. Dami nga niyang 'believers' dati eh.

I have dynoed at least ten cars from them.  Minsan mataas ang power minsan mababa. The dyno is just a tool.  Ke mataas ang reading o mababa ang reading as long as may gain sa ginagawa ninyo na tuning. That is important.  

It takes fuel, ignition timing, cam timing (eto tatlo lang ang pwede maadjust during the dyno session.) unless willing din kayo palit headers exhaust and intake which is time consuming.

Basta tama ang fuel timing and etc. Makikita sa graph ng dyno yun.

May alam ako na mechanic na nangako ng 300WHP sa customer.  Di niya mapalabas kasi di naman talaga marunong magtono.  After 1 week, sabog na naman makina.  3rd engine na yun kaya nagpa-dyno na.

O nasan na si Beelzebub bakit hindi na yata nag reply.
Na bading ka na ba ?
Magsalita ka naman.
Reaction pls.

E-"otso otso" mo na lang ang kotse mo.
Peace

Just kidding.

"Bawal ang pikon"





More HP to all of U  

in fairness to beesomething?

pwede naman cguro dayain ung dyno results?
i'm i've witness the pinoys to daya in almost anything
so i guess anything is possible!!!

But i doubt if autoplus is doing it!!!
Malabo talaga!!!

Well, baka na discover na ni beesomething kung paano mandaya sa dyno?

i don't think kaya nilang dayain in terms na ibababa nila yung whp reading. mukhang imposible yan with the owner witnessing the dyno session.

i guess i have another question, is it possible na mas maganda or mas maximize yung tuning sa mga customer na nagpagawa and bumili ng gamit sa kanila?

lets say na para sa mga walk-in customers na magpapadyno lang pero sa iba bumili ng parts, mas mababa yung whp nila after tuning kasi hindi completo or meticulous yung pagtune pero kung nagpagawa sa kanila and bumili rin ng mga performance parts sa kanila maganda yung tuning and mas mataas yung whp just to show the customer and the potential customers na mas ok kung sa kanila bumili and nagpakabit tapos nagpatune din.

you guys get my question?

I get your question. Depende na yan sa tuner, in this case Autoplus. I honestly don't know if they would do that.

Quote from: turb on October 27, 2003, 07:19:12 PM
i don't think kaya nilang dayain in terms na ibababa nila yung whp reading. mukhang imposible yan with the owner witnessing the dyno session.

i guess i have another question, is it possible na mas maganda or mas maximize yung tuning sa mga customer na nagpagawa and bumili ng gamit sa kanila?

lets say na para sa mga walk-in customers na magpapadyno lang pero sa iba bumili ng parts, mas mababa yung whp nila after tuning kasi hindi completo or meticulous yung pagtune pero kung nagpagawa sa kanila and bumili rin ng mga performance parts sa kanila maganda yung tuning and mas mataas yung whp just to show the customer and the potential customers na mas ok kung sa kanila bumili and nagpakabit tapos nagpatune din.

you guys get my question?

sige, i'll take your word na mahirap dayain ang dyno at hindi magagawa ng autoplus ang mga tinanong ko.

BUT can anyone comment on what turb is asking?

na kapag sa a+ ka nagpa-install ng go-fast parts mas meticulous ang tuning na gagawin kaya maximize talaga ang dyno tuning to get the highest yet safest possible hp...pero kapag sa iba ka nagpakabit ng mga go-fast parts mo tapos you'll just go there for dyno tuning w/o purchasing anything, itutune lang nila makina mo hanggang sa may gain pero pwede pa imaximize yung engine mo total magbabayad ka naman ng dyno tuning maski gano katagal abutin e so dapat pantay ang treatment diba.

siguro mas possible itong scenario than sa iniisip ko na pwedeng dayain ang dyno. again, i like to know if possible itong second scenario and i'm not even accusing a+ of doing it already so just relax. kung magtatanong kayo kung anong reason bakit nila gagawin yun, di ko rin alam maybe you can tell me. pero i think mas possible talaga itong tinatanong ni turb.

so any comments? salamat. peace!

If you guys read my  earlier post nandun ang sagot.

Walang magic meticulous stuff na ginagawa.

Air fuel ratio is set  anywhere between 13.5-12.5:1 depending  on where it makes the most power.

Ignition Timing is added (if it can changed) as long as it is gaining power and is not detonating.

Cam timing is advanced or retarded depending on where it gains power.  May limitation dito such as piston to valve clearance.  This should be measured by the engine builder.

If still you are doubtful then you can bring your mechanic or tuner to autoplus to do the tuning.

The machine will just read the acceleration rate of your car. Then it is up to the tuner to make adjustments.

Quote from: QUICKEE on October 28, 2003, 12:46:12 PM
If you guys read my  earlier post nandun ang sagot.

Walang magic meticulous stuff na ginagawa.

Air fuel ratio is set  anywhere between 13.5-12.5:1 depending  on where it makes the most power.

Ignition Timing is added (if it can changed) as long as it is gaining power and is not detonating.

Cam timing is advanced or retarded depending on where it gains power.  May limitation dito such as piston to valve clearance.  This should be measured by the engine builder.

If still you are doubtful then you can bring your mechanic or tuner to autoplus to do the tuning.

The machine will just read the acceleration rate of your car. Then it is up to the tuner to make adjustments.

i get what you mean and this is not about magic or dyno cheating anymore. let's talk cam gears for instance para mas malinaw.

let's say you bring your car with a set of toda cam gears already(from diy or from other shop) and money for whatever hours it take to tune it, then a+ went ahead and set the cam timing where they think it will have a gain in performance. so let's say base line is 100whp then after they adjust the cam timing it went up to 130whp, since may gain na they just stop there and says its finish. but in reality it can still go up had they took the time to do other combintions since magbabayad ka naman. let's say it can go up to 160whp(this are imaginary whp for ref) sana.

whereas, kung sa kanila ka nagpakabit ng cam gears at iba pa, they will really work on your car and take the time to find out the utmost whp they could extract and in our imaginary whp that'll be 160whp.

so in short if Car A(100whp baseline) went to a+ with an already installed cam gear and other go fast parts, a+ will tune it just to see a gain, say, 130whp and call it a day kahit na magbabayad ka naman maski ilan hours magamit.

tapos Car B(100whp baseline) went to a+ but buys the cam gears and other go fast parts that Car A has from them and lets them install it as well. now a+ will really tune the car, experiment diff combinations on the cam gear and finally got the utmost hp it could - 160whp.

ganon ba sila? i hope you guys understand what i'm asking NOW. this is diff from my first question on whether they will cheat on the dyno readings. this is more on the tuner/shop na. i know you can bring your own tuner/mechanic but part of it why you want THEM to tune it, is their tuner's experience.

thanks.