2 way VS 3 way

[Zapcomaniac]

Ok guys lets start on this topic again para wala  ng OT sa Focal k2 tread.

Well installed 2 way will sound & image better compare to 3 way ?

What if they are both installed properly witch one will sound & image better ?.

Ok ito na IMO

The well installed 3 way will sound and image better compare to a  well installed 2 way system.The only downside ng  3 way system is that the 3 way  is a lot harder to install & tweak compare to a 2 way system

And to answer Scott Buwalda 240 question kaya siya nag run ng 2 way dahil meron siyang SUB upfront hindi na niya kailangan ng dedicated midbass.

Post what you want to say guys BAWAL ANG PIKON OK   Remember we all have our own opinion

[-cardo-]

nyak! may issue pala sa ibang thread. makigulo nga rin hehehe

so for example, a 3 way targa will sound better than 2 way Dynes? given every other parameter is equal(e.g. installation, tuning, HU, wires, xover pts etc)? or vice versa... like if I changed my speakers to 2 way targa from 3 way JL, masmaganda yun Targa? whoa... hmmm...

[yamyam]

nyak! may issue pala sa ibang thread. makigulo nga rin hehehe

so for example, a 3 way targa will sound better than 2 way Dynes? given every other parameter is equal(e.g. installation, tuning, HU, wires, xover pts etc)? or vice versa... like if I changed my speakers to 2 way targa from 3 way JL, masmaganda yun Targa? whoa... hmmm...

i don't think this is a fair comparison..let's compare a 2 way Dyns with a 3 way Dyns, or a 2 way Targa with a 3 way Targa  

[KeWlRyDs]

this is going to be a fun thread to monitor. i've got my opinion on this based on my experience but i'll hold back for the moment.

[Zapcomaniac]

this is going to be a fun thread to monitor. i've got my opinion on this based on my experience but i'll hold back for the moment.

[-cardo-]

hooonga, where's the rest of the Audio gurus like billabong?


uy, wag na maihya...

[Hero33]

yeah im gettin real curious about this as well!

like how much of a difference can an extra "way" be?

[jayson77]

Pati 2loy ako nalilito na rin sa ganda ng Question ni Zapco. Hey sagutin nyo na para malaman ko na din mga guru!!!!!!!!

[MaD CoW]

I'd probably go with a 3-way system if I had all the resources (time, money, space, etc.).  But I feel that everyone would be better off trying it out with a 2-way system first before going 3-way to get a better idea of how good sound can be achieved inside the car.

And to answer Scott Buwalda 240 question kaya siya nag run ng 2 way dahil meron siyang SUB upfront hindi na niya kailangan ng dedicated midbass.

Before Scott Buwalda competed with DLS Iridiums in his new Nissan Maxima, he was planning to take out his 2-way QSD's and replace them with 3-way Quarts (not sure which series, but he was planning to use 8" woofers).

Anyway, to answer the questions posted at the other thread before it was locked up:

Those people can win championships with even coaxials...

This may be true, but they still DID win with 2-way systems.  Besides, I wouldn't undermine the capabilities of their respective division competitors if they were able to reach the IASCA finals.

Second, I'd like to know the YEAR they won the championship..

What for?  They DID win.

Last, could you tell me cut off point of buwalda's SUB (which I believe was installed upfront on the dash) and the cut off of the MBQ QSD

If I remember correctly, the sub was LP @ about 100 or 125Hz, while the QSD mid was HP @ around 400Hz.  But again, the point is he DID manage to win with a 2-way system.

[JAA]

If there is a single 6.5" driver that has a very high transient reponse, high power capacity, 20 to 20Khz @ +_ 0 db frequency reponse, excellent off-axis response, I would prefer a one-way system! But the law of physics prohibits such design to exist.

In the real world scenario, our current technology can only engineer a speaker designed  for a limited frequency range. Complicating the system is the use of crossover to divide these frequencies to the assigned driver (sub/woofer, midrange, tweeter) which can cause
phase shift problem at crossover point (except for the Linkwitz-Riley design).

My point is if we can produce a highest quality sound using a minimum component, the better for me.

I a car environment, were we normally listen at off-axis,
a 3-way system is preferable due to its flexibility on installation. Since midbass frequency is less directional,
we can mount the midbass at the door panel to enhance the tight midbass response. The midrange and tweeter which are more directional need to be aimed to the listener. We normally use kickpanels to mount these high frequency drivers.  

A 2-way system which has simplier crossover design is a good alternative but has lesser installation flexibility.

But to judge the real sound quality of a system, I give a 50% factor for the audio system, and 50% for the listening environment.  

[Zapcomaniac]

Nice post but i think i already read your post before.I can't remember kung sa ECA or carsound

[-Andrew-]

hmmm....IMO ah, go for three way if you know what you're doing. if not, stick to 2way.

will imaging be better in 3way? most probably than not yes it will. (it will still depend on the placement of the mids and tweets but most of the time it will)

will the sound be better in a 3way? i believe so pero it's not so audible as to label it "a must buy". saka depende na din sa brand ng speaker mo and sa placement nito. (malaking part talga sa make or break ng 3way system is the installation itself and positioning of the speakers which makes things A HELL LOT COMPLICATED).

bottom line, if u know what to do with a 3way, go ahead. if u jst wanna enjoy good music without much worries and risk, go 2way, you'll sleep better.  

[Milk Shake]

What for?  They DID win.

The reason I wanted to find out the year they won is to find out if 3way speakers were popular then and if competitors knew how to use the "kickpanel". I think you knew where I was getting at if you understood my point. Maybe I can mention names of people who won using coax and 6x9 and say "They DID win a championship"

If I remember correctly, the sub was LP @ about 100 or 125Hz, while the QSD mid was HP @ around 400Hz.  But again, the point is he DID manage to win with a 2-way system.

yeah he did and I think everyone now know why... just like what zapcomaniac said. Buwalda was able to win using a 2way because he didn't need a dedicated midbass as the sub was playing that high and mounted in front.

You can't use a midbass/midrange driver to play both low midbass and high midrange frequencies without cone breakup. This is something a good 3 way can accomplish

You can't beat a properly installed 3 way with just a 2 way in front.

Follow up question... would you get an excellent 2 way component over an above average 3 way? (e.g. 2way Focal polykevs vs. 3way JL XR)..anyone is free to comment on this question

[bluesman68]

This is my take on the subject...

Why not buy the 2-way separates and then invest for a good midbass/ midrange speaker? This is what I plan to do in the future as most 2-way separates lack the midbass "power". This way also you can power the midbass with an amp ( I don't know if you can do this with a 3-way ). I've seen and heard a set-up like this and it rocks, full front stage, ang ganda!

[MaD CoW]

The reason I wanted to find out the year they won is to find out if 3way speakers were popular then and if competitors knew how to use the "kickpanel". I think you knew where I was getting at if you understood my point. Maybe I can mention names of people who won using coax and 6x9 and say "They DID win a championship"

Ah... noted.  Got the point.  

yeah he did and I think everyone now know why... just like what zapcomaniac said. Buwalda was able to win using a 2way because he didn't need a dedicated midbass as the sub was playing that high and mounted in front.

You can't use a midbass/midrange driver to play both low midbass and high midrange frequencies without cone breakup. This is something a good 3 way can accomplish

You can't beat a properly installed 3 way with just a 2 way in front.

Don't get all worked up, you said, "I have yet to see or read about someone who did well or won an IASCA or USAC championship by just using a 2way set", so I just obliged and listed some names.  For the record, I have listed my opinion and it doesn't seem to be all too different from yours.

Follow up question... would you get an excellent 2 way component over an above average 3 way? (e.g. 2way Focal polykevs vs. 3way JL XR)..anyone is free to comment on this question

For the money, I'll take the JL's any day... but if this is a choice for a gift to me, The Focals look really good.

Why not buy the 2-way separates and then invest for a good midbass/ midrange speaker? This is what I plan to do in the future as most 2-way separates lack the midbass "power". This way also you can power the midbass with an amp ( I don't know if you can do this with a 3-way ). I've seen and heard a set-up like this and it rocks, full front stage, ang ganda!

This is a good in-between setup, a sort of transition between a passive setup and a full-active setup.