Turbo Civic FD A/T possible ba to?

[RG-93]

Guys curious lang ako, ok lang ba i turbo ang Civic FD 1.8 AT, will it shorten the life of the transmission or damage any internal components/parts of the engine ? and will it run like a manual car in terms of fuel consumption especially with paddle shift . thanks

[z_lynx]

Guys curious lang ako, ok lang ba i turbo ang Civic FD 1.8 AT, will it shorten the life of the transmission or damage any internal components/parts of the engine ? and will it run like a manual car in terms of fuel consumption especially with paddle shift . thanks

try mo tanongin si sids ng speedlab, dami nya na turbocharge na civic fd,

[niky]

A turbocharged AT won't get anywhere near the same economy as a non-turbo MT, that's for sure.

Last I heard, Speedlab did a Civic 1.8. Did around 180 whp... transmission held up fine. Then the owner changed the exhaust, the tune leaned out, he pushed it even though it was pinging (without taking time to get it remapped)... and... badoom. 

:evilgrin2:

Over time, definitely, the transmission will see accelerated wear unless you take steps to counteract it. Add better fluid, a bigger tranny cooler... you could get an aftermarket torque converter, but that's overkill on a stock block... and expensive.

The transmission will last if you take care of it. So will the engine. Warm up and cool down the engine properly. Launch gently. Don't drive too hard for long periods of time. Stick to one tried and true gasoline, and be sensitive to knocking or pinging. Pay attention to your temperature, boost and oil pressure gauges, and follow maintenance routines religiously.

[Zenki]

A turbocharged AT won't get anywhere near the same economy as a non-turbo MT, that's for sure.

Last I heard, Speedlab did a Civic 1.8. Did around 180 whp... transmission held up fine. Then the owner changed the exhaust, the tune leaned out, he pushed it even though it was pinging (without taking time to get it remapped)... and... badoom. 

:evilgrin2:

Over time, definitely, the transmission will see accelerated wear unless you take steps to counteract it. Add better fluid, a bigger tranny cooler... you could get an aftermarket torque converter, but that's overkill on a stock block... and expensive.

The transmission will last if you take care of it. So will the engine. Warm up and cool down the engine properly. Launch gently. Don't drive too hard for long periods of time. Stick to one tried and true gasoline, and be sensitive to knocking or pinging. Pay attention to your temperature, boost and oil pressure gauges, and follow maintenance routines religiously.

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In your question. The answer is simply yes. But the fd's 1.8 n.a engine's reliability will definitely go down. And you just have to enjoy it while it lasts. And besides the fun of having turbo cars is when you increase boost. In this set up baka mabitin ka lang.

[RG-93]

Thanks for the replies, so it won't really be that worth it..how bout having an EK Sohc Vtec M/T installed with turbo? would it be better than doing it with the FD? I have ridden an imported turbo van before. I loved the whistling sound of the turbo and the power was very sufficient. overtaking was never a problem during uphill climbs in baguio..since then i always dreamed of having a turbo car..i just want to hear some of your inputs and advices to which turbo set up (even at low boost lang) or right turbo car to chose esp. to those who own one. right now, the options i have in mind are -
1. Get a turbo car either a Subaru Impreza WRX or a Ford Focus TDCi (I really like the impreza but my worry for now is the budget) or
2. Choose a turbo-able car as my project car.(if so, what car would you suggest) Or
3. Have my SOHC EK turboed
I hope you guys could help me decide on this thanks again..   

[niky]

You have a D16 EK?

The EK should be able to do about 160 whp under boost safely. 180 whp with very good tuning. You will need to upgrade your clutch, though... and you may want to upgrade your transmission.

A manual transmission FD R18 should be able to get 180 whp easy (the Speedlab case was just a case of the owner not paying attention to the warning signs of leaning out...), and with a good turbo and a tune, maybe 200+ whp... (though long term durability under hard use is an unknown...). You will also need to upgrade your clutch in either case.

A car that comes stock with a turbo is obviously a better choice for turbo tuning, since the engine is more robust.

The Focus TDCi makes about 125-135 whp (depending on the dyno and weather), similar already to a stock SiR. With bolt-ons and a tune, it makes around 160+ whp. With bolt-ons, a tune and alcohol injection, about 180 whp. (all the mods are available for less than the price of a turbo kit)

Even a stock TDCi, though, should make you smile. The top end gets soft after a long run as the overboost turns off, but the instant torque is addictive when you're rowing through the gears on the highway.

If you want a TDCi, get a secondhand manual transmission one that hasn't been abused and doesn't smoke. The manual clutch is incredibly strong, since it's built for over 400 Nm of torque as stock... but hard driving wears out the engine mounts quickly. The Powershift TDCi is a nice car, convenient, ultra-quick transmission, but the transmission overheats in hard driving (not disastrous overheat... it just gets sluggish, like many automatics do, when you drive on the racetrack).

As with many turbo cars, you have to be very careful of the oil condition and with warm-up and cool-down on the TDCi. The engine was built with an overboost function to limit full-boost application to ten second increments... this extends engine and turbo life. Drive it very hard in a high state of tune for a long time and/or turn it off without cooling it down properly and you can roast the turbo... as some owners have already discovered. A turbo timer is SOP when tuning this car... and possibly additional oil temperature and exhaust temperature gauges.

If you want more power than that 180 whp from a TDCi, you'll be looking at custom parts... a new turbo (has to be a diesel-specific... stock boost is something like 35+ psi... ), bigger diesel injectors and possibly a chip-tune from the UK. Those aren't easy to get.

A 180 whp TDCi can hit around 240 km/h and is probably as quick as a stock WRX. Except it's harder to drive because the gears are so damn short... I drove one once... and the engine was banging off the rev-limiter just milliseconds after each gearshift... Of course, it doesn't take much to tune a WRX to levels a TDCi can never hope to match...

The best is a Subaru. But personally, I'd hunt around for a secondhand Forester XT from the previous generation. Only 4-speed ATs are available locally, but those ATs are pretty damn strong and can take well over 300 whp. And there's just something about driving around in a box that can rip the doors off most cars on the road...  :evilgrin2: ...even better, try to find a secondhand bugeye WRX to tune. They're not as nice on the inside as the new car, but they're more fun to drive and have more tuning potential.

[Zenki]

First of all, ibang iba ang andar and "sshhhoom" ng turbo van as compared to a turbo car.  :evilgrin2: IMO since you really are into the "turbo" thingy just get a car that has a turbo engine. Don't get those n.a engines turboed, because I have a feeling that you have the love for boost... and boost up is inevitable.   Boost up on n.a high comp engines = boom! Remember turbo engines loves low comp, while n.a engines loves high comp.

Best bet is to get the wrx not the ford for the simple reason that it's a... turbo diesel. Or you can get a second hand sentra (B13 or B14) or lancer (except 9th gen) swap the engines w/ SR20 or 4G63, much easier to work on since it's considered a bolt on. Or if you are into civics why not try this link- http://www.autoindustriya.com/talkboard/modified/anong-kalokohan-to!/ (topic titled "anong kalokohan to!") so that you will be the first in the country. Deym!  

[RG-93]

thanks sir niky for that very long explanation, it really helped a lot.  :notworthy:
btw may i know what turbo car do you drive, and have you experienced any major problem with it? same with sir zenki if you don't mind 

this may be OT but i need to be convinced
Yes sir i have an EK, SOHC engine and i guess its D16.this car has a sentimental value to me and i'm planning to keep it. 
if ill have it turboed what type of clutch should i install? are these very expensive or it's just the same with buying orig replacement tranmission parts in the casa?
i don't need too much boost,not for track use (maybe in the fuutre), just enough HP gain in case i get left out by any ricer boy in the street  :evilgrin2: and to avoid being late when going to the office.
is it really difficult or complicated maintaining turbo cars? what should i look after when it comes to maintaining it just in case i already installed one?

sir zenki, sr20 are installed in nissan cars right? will it fit kaya in my civic, pero this is too much naman, baka maubusan ako ng kalsada nyan for everyday use ko lang sana. 
i just can't help staring at turbo setups in magazines it makes me drool like a little boy. 
i really want the subaru sana in the near future.   :banana: which would you prefer or choose if compared to Lancer EX Ralliart? im worried about the availability and cost of the orig replacement parts.
OT na to  anyway thanks for your time, your inputs are very helpful, thanks guys.

[niky]

You wouldn't want to know Zenki's car... mamamatay ka sa inggit sa Gojira niya...  :evilgrin2: ...(ako nga... sobrang inggit... hehehe).

I don't have a modified turbo car at the moment. I drive a bone-stock Focus TDCi. But I've driven a number of modified ones, including the TRS race car (while Speedlab was still developing the power tune for it) and the aforementioned 180 whp TDCi (TRS cars can't use alcohol injection... PTCC rules). I've also driven a number of turbo cars, including some BMWs, some tuned diesel trucks (y'know, it's not really as fast as a turbo-car... or even an SiR, but a diesel Ranger is fun) and Silvias.

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The D16 will do for a simple turbo upgrade. But of course, there's more potential if you swap the D16 out for a bigger engine. Heck... you'll get nearly as much extra performance out of the engine swap as with the turbo. Clutches, marami naman ang available for Hondas... depends on how far you're willing to go.

Maintenance is much like a regular gasoline car... except you should check your oil and coolant more often, use better oil and fluids, keep an eye on your gauges in traffic and practice proper warm up and cool down after hard driving.

Pero for me... if the EK has sentimental value, then keep it stock or stick to an engine swap. Save your frankenstein yen for something else.

[Zenki]

You wouldn't want to know Zenki's car... mamamatay ka sa inggit sa Gojira niya...  :evilgrin2: ...(ako nga... sobrang inggit... hehehe).

Ayos ka bro ah. 

Well luckily, the turbo car that I currently drive is a turbo diesel CRDi van ... and just like bro Nix said, a "Godzirra". The latter is most of the time just my weekend car though. I was fortunate to drive other turbo cars as well. 

Anyways, maintaining a "regular" turbo car is just ok in terms of maintenance. But if your talking about high performance turbo cars or turbo sports cars ibang usapan na yun. Maintenance will more costly indeed. Your right SR20s are found on Nissan cars like Silvia, Pulsar, Sunny, etc. And it did fit lots of civics already outside the country. See the pics and videos on the "anong kalokohan to?!" topic?  And SR20s (SR20DE and SR20DET) are bolt ons on local sentras B13 and B14 . Bone stock SR20 turbos are de -tuned, they are very "conservative", it's when you "tickle" it that it will show its true colors. And will be spitting some very high power numbers in the process.  Was actually in a friend's shop earlier, and saw a B13 having an SR20 transplant.  :thumbsup:

As for your O.T topic I would choose the WRX. I think it's more powerful and interior is better than the lancer ralliart.

[RG-93]

sir niky, nka Focus ka pala..This car is also in my list. i'm also after the fuel consumption of this car they say na it's 23km/ L ang consumption nya. is this true? I actually visited one at the showroom it's a nice car and i like the facelifted looks. but if ill purchase a Focus, i might get the 2011 model that i saw here in the net  if they're going to release it here in the phils..the only thing im worried about is it's a diesel, they say the money you save for the diesel will go to the maintenance of the vehicle. and another is the resale value. but overall, i would rate it 9/10 even without the test drive.  :evilgrin2:

hehe pa humble pa si sir zenki.   i guess that's ur car, the one that appears in your signature? R33 ba yan? mukhang super turbo car un syo sir ah. :thumbsup:   yes i saw that "anong kalokohan to?!" topic..nice and powerful tlga un engine but pang office bahay lng sana gagamitin. dapat pala iniba ko un title ng topic OT na my replies, im still considering the FD 1.8 Turbo if my budget permits me. 
i just want to know your opinions regarding this. i chose the FD bec of the availability and abundance of aftermarket parts. 
thanks again your posts are very informative..

[niky]

Fuel economy in real world use is typically 12-14 km/l in mixed use. 16 km/l at a steady 120 km/h... 20 km/l at a steady 80-100. 23? Possible siguro on an eco-run, but difficult to do in Manila. Worst I've heard of and seen is 7.5 km/l... but that's in situations where you'd get around 7 km/l only in an economical car like a Honda City or a Toyota Vios.

Maintenance is a bit more expensive than gasoline cars. The TDCi requires about 6-8 liters of synthetic every oil change. But the fuel savings balance it out. The biggest worry is that the fuel system will be damaged by dirty fuel, but if you stick to a trusted station and change your fuel filter regularly, you can make the injectors last from 200,000 to 300,000 kilometers.

Everything else will be down to how you drive. Engine mounts, brakes, turbos and the like can break if abused, but sensible care will prolong their life.

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FD Civics are pretty good. The 1.8 is very powerful for a naturally aspirated 1.8. But modification is a bit limited compared to the 2.0, which you can tune for much much more power, either naturally aspirated or turbo.

[Zenki]

Ganun?  The mutant t-rex that I drive is the original "Godzirra", a BNR32 GT-R. The BCNR33 was not that of an option for me because it's considered the least achiever of the R brothers. Anyways, I agree w/ Nix upgrades are limited for the FD 1.8L, and so is the aftermarket parts for the engine at least. Unlike the previous civics w/ the B engine very abundant in parts.   But IMO if you really want a turbo car, just like I said just get a car that has a turbo engine and not the turboed one. WRX or the Focus TDCi na!