coaxials vs. separates

[Bloodline]

Consider this, you have a 4-inch separates and 4-inch coaxial same specs same manufacturer, identical cars, identical head unit, amp, wire, processors and settings. the coaxial are mounted in the kick panel and the separates' woofer in the door and it's tweeters in the A-pillar. What would you say would sound better? In the same light, if you put the separates in the kick panel, which would you think  would sound better?

IT depends sa makikinig...

kung kagaya kong walang alam sa audio.......I WILL HAVE A HARD TIME DIFFERENTIATING IT...

kung kagaya mong maraming alam....

you will hear the difference.

mga kababayan ko, constructive confrontation lang please. iwasan natin ang tirahan

i would choose a component separate than coax. una, they are more flexible in terms of speaker placement. second, they are are more flxible due to programmable tuning on the xovers(+2db, -4db etc; bi-amp). also, mas maganda ang tunog nya kase mas maganda ang materials sa seps eg xovers; motor contruction, magnets etc. wala pa akong nasetup o narinig na setup na maslamang and coax sa seps considering given the same equipment and placement and tuning etc. sa experience at opinion ko lang ha. kaya don't make contra me please.  

[nic]

Thanks for all your inputs guys! Mag-tulungan tayo dito
I'm about to buy a set of speakers kasi and I don't know what kind to get. With my budget, I can get a high-end coax, or mid-priced seps. No brand in particular. So medyo sumasakit ulo ko ngayon kakaisip

[GlennSter]

Consider this, you have a 4-inch separates and 4-inch coaxial same specs same manufacturer, identical cars, identical head unit, amp, wire, processors and settings. the coaxial are mounted in the kick panel and the separates' woofer in the door and it's tweeters in the A-pillar. What would you say would sound better? In the same light, if you put the separates in the kick panel, which would you think  would sound better?

IT depends sa makikinig...

kung kagaya kong walang alam sa audio.......I WILL HAVE A HARD TIME DIFFERENTIATING IT...

kung kagaya mong maraming alam....

you will hear the difference.

mga kababayan ko, constructive confrontation lang please. iwasan natin ang tirahan

i would choose a component separate than coax. una, they are more flexible in terms of speaker placement. second, they are are more flxible due to programmable tuning on the xovers(+2db, -4db etc; bi-amp). also, mas maganda ang tunog nya kase mas maganda ang materials sa seps eg xovers; motor contruction, magnets etc. wala pa akong nasetup o narinig na setup na maslamang and coax sa seps considering given the same equipment and placement and tuning etc. sa experience at opinion ko lang ha. kaya don't make contra me please.  

tirahan!?

hmm.....i didnt......

anyway...

thanks for your input.

[Dianne]

Sir, am also a newbie like most people here...
sana po ma maintain ang order by just giving straight forward comments...    

I came across this site w/c is related to this and some other topics posted here.. sana po makatulong...  


http://www.jdcarstereo.com/speakers.htm  


I hope to learn more from this forum...  

[NvinCbol]

With the exception of Bloodline who knows what the difference of the 2 is who through personal experience have compared them, who amongst us can tell the difference in sound? Even if i know more on things than some of you, I bet given the situation that Glen quoted, I too, will have a hard time, I don't have golden ears!  That's exactly my point! And that's exactly why I chose coaxials over separates! Why would someone get a separate over a coaxial if he could not tell the difference in sound? Where as you could save a lot of cash with a coaxial than a separate?

Okay masyado marami nasasaktan sa kayabangan na reason, so I might as well include the others... ignorance, trust from friends who told them that it sounds better, reviews from magazines, competition results. I hate to include this because it's already been said but what the heck... flexibility.

I say it again, I did not say that kayabangan is the only reason. So give it up if you don't fall in that category. Why would you get hurt if you did not get your separates out of kayabangan? Besides I did not even mention names! Do you believe in the saying - when theres smoke there's fire?

I have Soundstream Exact coaxials in my kickpanels and before I bought them, I auditioned and compared them with the separates. I did not hear any difference when placed in the kickpanels, and since the shop where I bought them was offering a lower price for them than the separates, I saved money.

If you are confused on which one to get, you can't go wrong with auditioning. That's the best advice I could give you.

Bloodline, hypothetically, if you are going to put your speakers in the kickpanel and trully believe that this is the best place for them because of signal path and position audition of course. Would you still buy a separate over a coaxial? Take Soundstream Exact 4.2 coaxials and Exact 4.3 separates as an example, both coaxials and separates have the same flexibible crossover network (as opposed to what you have posted), the difference in material is that the separates have a fiber/pulp cone woofer and the coaxial have a treated paper cone (sounds the same to me), the separates have a 1-inch tweeter and the coaxials have a 0.5-inch tweeter (does it matter? since both have cut-offs at 3,000Hz) , the coaxials have a 90W rating against a 100W rating for the separates(10W really a difference?). Both have the same frequency range, sensitivity and  impedance but the separates are priced $369 and the coaxials are $249. Chances are, you will choose the separates since you might find a difference in sound even if the difference in cost is $120. But what about people like us who do not have golden ears? What could you advice us?

[mike_parak]

yes, auditioning is still the way to go!!!! dont trust too much on recommendations.

parang ito, nabasa ko sa mga reviews ng "full frontal" na movie na "two thumbs up, best movie of the year, etc." tapos steven soderbergh pa ang nag direct so mukhang ok talaga. tapos nung pinanood ko, i was so disappointed, talagang sayang pera ko. sorry sa mga nagustuhan yung movie nato pero ayaw ko lang talaga siya. para sakin walang kwenta.

sorry medyo ot hehe.

[miko]

 


nic,
     tama si mike audition para u know wat you want...

[Visitor]

Consider this, you have a 4-inch separates and 4-inch coaxial same specs same manufacturer, identical cars, identical head unit, amp, wire, processors and settings. the coaxial are mounted in the kick panel and the separates' woofer in the door and it's tweeters in the A-pillar. What would you say would sound better? In the same light, if you put the separates in the kick panel, which would you think  would sound better?

IT depends sa makikinig...

kung kagaya kong walang alam sa audio.......I WILL HAVE A HARD TIME DIFFERENTIATING IT...

kung kagaya mong maraming alam....

you will hear the difference.

EXACTLY!!!!!!! CORRECT KA DYAN!!!!!

[nic]

Sobrang complicated talaga noh! As much as I want to audition, di pwede coz I buy my stuff sa U.S. That's one major drawback in buying from there, but I get good prices coz I have a cuz who works at an electronics store.

Maganda yung point ni Invincbol na the coax and seps sounded the same at the kickpanels. Pano kung sa door? Manual kasi car ko, so as much as possible ayaw ko kickpanels. Either  coax sa door, or midrange sa door and tweeter sa dash/sidemirror. Will the difference in sound quality be more obvious? Sorry kung makulit ako

[Dianne]

Sir, am also a newbie like most people here...
sana po ma maintain ang order by just giving straight forward comments...    

I came across this site w/c is related to this and some other topics posted here.. sana po makatulong...  


http://www.jdcarstereo.com/speakers.htm  


I hope to learn more from this forum...  

Dianne
kaw rin ba si NvinCbol? sorry OT just asking...

Hindi po... am new here but am a regular at Tsikot.Com
We are one of the first members of MAC (Mitsu Adventure Club)... Lately lang naging interested sa Car Audio when we had our stock set-up upgraded...

[Bloodline]

With the exception of Bloodline who knows what the difference of the 2 is who through personal experience have compared them, who amongst us can tell the difference in sound? Even if i know more on things than some of you, I bet given the situation that Glen quoted, I too, will have a hard time, I don't have golden ears!  That's exactly my point! And that's exactly why I chose coaxials over separates! Why would someone get a separate over a coaxial if he could not tell the difference in sound? Where as you could save a lot of cash with a coaxial than a separate?

Okay masyado marami nasasaktan sa kayabangan na reason, so I might as well include the others... ignorance, trust from friends who told them that it sounds better, reviews from magazines, competition results. I hate to include this because it's already been said but what the heck... flexibility.

I say it again, I did not say that kayabangan is the only reason. So give it up if you don't fall in that category. Why would you get hurt if you did not get your separates out of kayabangan? Besides I did not even mention names! Do you believe in the saying - when theres smoke there's fire?

I have Soundstream Exact coaxials in my kickpanels and before I bought them, I auditioned and compared them with the separates. I did not hear any difference when placed in the kickpanels, and since the shop where I bought them was offering a lower price for them than the separates, I saved money.

If you are confused on which one to get, you can't go wrong with auditioning. That's the best advice I could give you.

Bloodline, hypothetically, if you are going to put your speakers in the kickpanel and trully believe that this is the best place for them because of signal path and position audition of course. Would you still buy a separate over a coaxial? Take Soundstream Exact 4.2 coaxials and Exact 4.3 separates as an example, both coaxials and separates have the same flexibible crossover network (as opposed to what you have posted), the difference in material is that the separates have a fiber/pulp cone woofer and the coaxial have a treated paper cone (sounds the same to me), the separates have a 1-inch tweeter and the coaxials have a 0.5-inch tweeter (does it matter? since both have cut-offs at 3,000Hz) , the coaxials have a 90W rating against a 100W rating for the separates(10W really a difference?). Both have the same frequency range, sensitivity and  impedance but the separates are priced $369 and the coaxials are $249. Chances are, you will choose the separates since you might find a difference in sound even if the difference in cost is $120. But what about people like us who do not have golden ears? What could you advice us?

i would go for a coax if:
1. if there is no remarkable and outstanding difference in performance.
2. money is of consideration

go to 3 kung di ka magkickpanel

3. you don't want to bore holes in your car(ex tweeter placements on dash; sidemirror panels: etc)

[WaZ]

IMO lng po tong reply ko sa thread
hope sana wala mag quote sa akin  

this will make the difference
2 sets of 3 ways seps and
2 sets of coax

place your 1 set coax (as they suggest) in the kick panel
and the other set in the door panel


for your 3 ways seps as the usual setup kick panel for the twets and the other speaker, and the midbass speaker at the door

then put the other set of tweets and (i dont know what you call the other speker together with the tweets ) at the pillar and the midbass speaker under your chair

you can feel the diff of seperates and coax  

i don't know the explanation behind this but i felt the difference of the sound  

[NvinCble]

Waz,

sige i won't quote you but what the heck are you talking about?

[WaZ]

flexible placement of speakers makes seps and coax different

[mike_parak]

from blaupunkt FAQ

Q: What is the advantage of using a component system over a coaxial?
A: There are a few advantages to using component speakers. First, you will have a separate woofer and tweeter. This will allow you to fill your mounting location with the woofer, and find the optimum location for the tweeter to improve and expand your sound stage or fill. Also, when using a good set of components, you will be able to adjust the crossover points and level gain of the tweeter. This will also help the blend sound and make the music sound more natural. With coaxial, the installation will go a bit quicker, but you will also have less flexibility of sound control.