questions on dyno/dyno tuning

[nukee]

i guess it's possible din

as i've said anything is possible.

And it would kinda be normal for that scenario to happen
in anyother shop diba?

Just think of it. Ofcourse the tuner would give you better treatment if you got the goods from them because that's already additional income for them. And besides if your buying parts from a shop frequently you kinda form a special bond of friendship na rin diba so that in itself is an advantage.

But i guess aplus will not intentionally or consciously do those things to walk in dyno tuners!!! After all, if your not satisfied you could ask them to tune it some more but just be ready to pay diba?

Dunno, just my o2

[CtLim]

its very easy to cheat somebody who knows nothing about dyno tuning... like somebody who just wants to take a look at the results after... malay ba niya dba?

as said by all, I dont think Raymond & Francisco, etc.. would even come close to thinking of something like this. Well, unless probably you really got them pissed at you and still had the guts to take a dyno there...
hahaha joke...

I guess going to somebody you trust will solve your problems... or probably just not taking a dyno at all...

[kiro]

i understand where you're going to beezlebub.
money is so hard to come by these days that when you go for a dyno...which is very very expensive, you want to make sure you get your money's worth.

but from the replies you are getting, i hope you understand din na REPUTATION is more important than money.

i believe anything (cheating or the calling it a day at 130WHP stuff...) is possible.
but i also believe that a+ has the REPUTATION.

honestly, i have no idea what goes on during dyno sessions...but i do want to find out, if and when grace or luck gives me the money.

if you think you can't trust the shop, then you can find another...OR, you could go to a+, get to know the people there better, get to know their customers better, then i think your misgivings would go away.

good luck...and wish me luck din kasi gusto ko rin magpa-dyno...

[QUICKSILVER RACING]

Cam timing can be changed all you want but you need to give the people at auto plus  the piston to valve clearance otherwise talagang di nila i-risk to adjust cam timing for more power if there is a danger of piston to valve slap.

Like in my case we stoped at +5 cam degrees kasi baka untog na pistons sa valves.  We forgot the p to v clearance.  We were still gaining power but safety is more important than all out power. We will measure the piston to valve clearance again then re-dyno for more power.

[Dondie]

Yoyo, pls register.

At pakiayos lang ang pananalita. Bawal yan dito

[Yoyo II]

Sorry 4 my words



More HP to all of U  

[Piston]

If you guys read my  earlier post nandun ang sagot.

Walang magic meticulous stuff na ginagawa.

Air fuel ratio is set  anywhere between 13.5-12.5:1 depending  on where it makes the most power.

Ignition Timing is added (if it can changed) as long as it is gaining power and is not detonating.

Cam timing is advanced or retarded depending on where it gains power.  May limitation dito such as piston to valve clearance.  This should be measured by the engine builder.

If still you are doubtful then you can bring your mechanic or tuner to autoplus to do the tuning.

The machine will just read the acceleration rate of your car. Then it is up to the tuner to make adjustments.

i get what you mean and this is not about magic or dyno cheating anymore. let's talk cam gears for instance para mas malinaw.

let's say you bring your car with a set of toda cam gears already(from diy or from other shop) and money for whatever hours it take to tune it, then a+ went ahead and set the cam timing where they think it will have a gain in performance. so let's say base line is 100whp then after they adjust the cam timing it went up to 130whp, since may gain na they just stop there and says its finish. but in reality it can still go up had they took the time to do other combintions since magbabayad ka naman. let's say it can go up to 160whp(this are imaginary whp for ref) sana.

whereas, kung sa kanila ka nagpakabit ng cam gears at iba pa, they will really work on your car and take the time to find out the utmost whp they could extract and in our imaginary whp that'll be 160whp.

so in short if Car A(100whp baseline) went to a+ with an already installed cam gear and other go fast parts, a+ will tune it just to see a gain, say, 130whp and call it a day kahit na magbabayad ka naman maski ilan hours magamit.

tapos Car B(100whp baseline) went to a+ but buys the cam gears and other go fast parts that Car A has from them and lets them install it as well. now a+ will really tune the car, experiment diff combinations on the cam gear and finally got the utmost hp it could - 160whp.

ganon ba sila? i hope you guys understand what i'm asking NOW. this is diff from my first question on whether they will cheat on the dyno readings. this is more on the tuner/shop na. i know you can bring your own tuner/mechanic but part of it why you want THEM to tune it, is their tuner's experience.

thanks.

I think they can not do that. The only things they can do is give discount to the one how buy part from them like me!!!

[RS_Sprint]

If you don't trust Autoplus, specifically Raymond and Francisco to tune your car with the absolute safe HP gain possible from your engine / set-up, then bring your own tuner.

Its true that in the end, your trust in them will matter the most. I trust them a lot. Many other peopl trust them. Yet no one will be able to convince you to trust them yourself until you take the risk and try them out yourself.

And this is most definitely applicable to ALL THE OTHER TUNING SHOPS HERE THE PHILIPPINES.

[QUICKSILVER RACING]

RS_SPRINT,

Amen to that.

[Arnold]

Come on if you don't trust them,just do not go there.
Bakit hindi mo sila e-mail about your question,go to their shop and ask them,and humanap ka ng second or third opinion (especially experienced tuners who has been in this bussiness and know Auto+ 4 a long time.)Even my friend in the state told me that you cannot do hocus pocus with the dyno.



Just my 2 cent.




More HP to all of U  

[Beelzebub]

thanks for all the opinions regarding the topic. anyway, i came across a site while searching about turbo exhaust system and look what i've found.

http://www.vishnutuning.com/dynos_dont_lie.htm

i guess it's possible to cheat on a dyno kung gugustuhin so it all boils down to the tuner/shop if they'd practise it. i guess the magic word would be trust.

peace!

[QUICKSILVER RACING]

If you read between the lines, Vishnu is saying that these variables should be taken into consideration when using a dyno.

What you need to know is that given a particular day, You make a baseline dyno and tune your car.  If there is a gain in power then those factors do not apply.  

THe facts vishnu stated are only significant if you are dynoing on different days.

[nukee]

quicksilver racing,

is it possible to gain considerable power with just cam timing adjustments using camgears lang through a dyno session?

I'm using kasi a programed box by spoon na, and i don't have vafc na and other stuffs for tuning, just adjustable camgears and fuel regulator?

U think it's still worth for a dyno session or huwag na lang?

[CtLim]

pwede na din pero na din but better if you can view the settings sa vafc since naka fuel reg ka. just my opinion.

[Piston]

go to the website of www.dynojet.com and ask them if the dynojet can LIE.